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Re: Uncompromising way out of order snippet for Rose
Post by cthia   » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:34 am

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The idea of Honor talking to Kingsford is gobsmacking.

In person? It absolutely bOggles tHe mInd.



Plato sitting under Newton's tree — t-h-i-n-k-i-n-g. :idea:


Hypothesis: We need more snippets.

Proof:
In my book, these three revelations should be categorized as snippets on steroids...

Snippets on steroids.
  1. Celery hath potential to benefit bonded humans.
  2. Honor chats it up with Kingsford.
  3. IN PERSON

Corollaries:
  • snip is a subset of snippet
  • snippet > snip
  • snippet on steroid > snippet

Therefore, should we recategorize RFC's general revelations as snips?

And these...

1. Celery hath potential to benefit bonded humans.
2. Honor chats it up with Kingsford.
3. IN PERSON

as bona fide...

100 % USDA PRIME BEEF Snippets

Furthermore...

Are snips&snippets simply spoilers in disguise? (glass half empty)
or
Are spoilers simply snips&snippets in disguise? (glass half full)

It's a lemma of a dilemma that cannot be solved because of insufficient data. WE NEED MORE DATA!

Definition:
DATA = snips = snippets

∴ RFC, we need more snips and snippets. Just to help with our lemma of a dilemma, you see. For the sake of science. :D

End Proof.

What's in a name? That which we call a snippet by any other snip would thrill just as sweet.

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Re: Uncompromising way out of order snippet for Rose
Post by Weird Harold   » Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:44 pm

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munroburton wrote:However, we already have confirmation that the ship defending Hypatia is specifically a destroyer. The mystery is in exactly whose destroyer it is, which class it is and of course, what ultimately happens to it.


Brigade XO wrote:The scenario of a CLAC being in-system (or even just out-system having deployed up to a wing of LACs and it's CO (or the LAC Wing CO) communicating via a Hermies and recon drones makes a lot more sence. The LACs are fast, stealthy and can bring a lot of firepower to play. They litteraly can be all over the place and- to a SLN Admiral who has never encountered RMN LACs before not believed any reports they may have seen- might as well be two squadrons of stealth DD butchering their BCs.


BXO, You're not paying attention to the clues. As Munro says, we have the initial hint that this is a "destroyer captain that rose will like."

We also have the hint that she is against worse odds that Honor faced against Thunder of God. I suspect that rules out any LAC support (and a CLAC Captian or COLAC would almost certainly be the "senior officer on station" and not relinquish command to a DD.)

We also have the implication that she's already destroyed at least one SLN BC. From that we can deduce that she's either using pods, MK16Gs (as from a Roland), or an improved LERM with the same warhead lensing as a MK-16G.

Personally, I'm leaning towards a RHN Destroyer with improved Havenite LERMs and a whole lot of bluff.
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Answers! I got lots of answers!

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Re: Uncompromising way out of order snippet for Rose
Post by Nyssa   » Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:50 pm

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I would expect a Manti/Graysonite to say that the ship was designed to stand up to a Havenite attack. Therefore, I nominate Tourville's flag lieutenant (sorry, I don't remember her name) as the new destroyer captain. Remember, she was trained by Shannon.
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Re: Uncompromising way out of order snippet for Rose
Post by cthia   » Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:38 pm

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Nyssa wrote:I would expect a Manti/Graysonite to say that the ship was designed to stand up to a Havenite attack. Therefore, I nominate Tourville's flag lieutenant (sorry, I don't remember her name) as the new destroyer captain. Remember, she was trained by Shannon.


I have to say this, though just for the record I know it isn't her, because she's an Admiral, but if it is a Havenite, I'd sure be tickled pink if was to be poor ole Admiral Genevieve Chin. With, alas, yet one more chance to get her groove and her confidence back.

Allow me to dream the impossible dream.

If I can't have Abby in a sane dream, that is.

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Re: Uncompromising way out of order snippet for Rose
Post by pappilon   » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:15 pm

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To ressurect the flogged dead horse, what about those BF grazers they were thinking about using? one of those swanning around tractored to a drone can punch out a BC. Also my equally long shot: Hearken back to Obligated Service. Claire LeCroix. With the great holes int he Grayson Navy after OB, surely a well known and obviously motivated officer can move up the ranks. Not sure ho it fits with R&H ...
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Re: Uncompromising way out of order snippet for Rose
Post by runsforcelery   » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:39 pm

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pappilon wrote:To ressurect the flogged dead horse, what about those BF grazers they were thinking about using? one of those swanning around tractored to a drone can punch out a BC. Also my equally long shot: Hearken back to Obligated Service. Claire LeCroix. With the great holes int he Grayson Navy after OB, surely a well known and obviously motivated officer can move up the ranks. Not sure ho it fits with R&H ...



No SL grasers and no LACs. At the crucial moment, she's on her own.

Oh, and no pods, either. :twisted:

And the RMN's practice is to design its ships to stand up to its own weapons and tactical doctrine (as much as humanly possible, at least) because they've been the biggest. baddest offensive machine around for like the last 25-30 years. Why design your ships to stand up to the second baddest weapons mix when you have complete specs on the baddest of the bad and can design accordingly? :roll:

In fact, the rule of thumb of all competent naval designers has been to design their ships to resist their own weapons because logic suggests that at the time they build the thing, it will be the newest ship in their fleet and probably (at least briefly) in the world. Hence its weapons are the standard its defenses have to be able to meet.

This is known as a logical consequence. :ugeek:


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Re: Uncompromising way out of order snippet for Rose
Post by kzt   » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:23 pm

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This logic stuff is going to be the death of us all. :D
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Re: Uncompromising way out of order snippet for Rose
Post by phillies   » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:18 pm

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runsforcelery wrote:
pappilon wrote:To ressurect the flogged dead horse, what about those BF grazers they were thinking about using? one of those swanning around tractored to a drone can punch out a BC. Also my equally long shot: Hearken back to Obligated Service. Claire LeCroix. With the great holes int he Grayson Navy after OB, surely a well known and obviously motivated officer can move up the ranks. Not sure ho it fits with R&H ...



No SL grasers and no LACs. At the crucial moment, she's on her own.

Oh, and no pods, either. :twisted:

And the RMN's practice is to design its ships to stand up to its own weapons and tactical doctrine (as much as humanly possible, at least) because they've been the biggest. baddest offensive machine around for like the last 25-30 years. Why design your ships to stand up to the second baddest weapons mix when you have complete specs on the baddest of the bad and can design accordingly? :roll:

In fact, the rule of thumb of all competent naval designers has been to design their ships to resist their own weapons because logic suggests that at the time they build the thing, it will be the newest ship in their fleet and probably (at least briefly) in the world. Hence its weapons are the standard its defenses have to be able to meet.

This is known as a logical consequence. :ugeek:


I seem to recall that by the time the Montana was armored to stand up to its own guns, the result was a bit disappointing. Your mileage may vary.
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Re: Uncompromising way out of order snippet for Rose
Post by Jonathan_S   » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:26 pm

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runsforcelery wrote:No SL grasers and no LACs. At the crucial moment, she's on her own.

Oh, and no pods, either. :twisted:

And the RMN's practice is to design its ships to stand up to its own weapons and tactical doctrine (as much as humanly possible, at least) because they've been the biggest. baddest offensive machine around for like the last 25-30 years. Why design your ships to stand up to the second baddest weapons mix when you have complete specs on the baddest of the bad and can design accordingly? :roll:
Given that is seems like she's on her own with just one Manticoran DD and no pods, LACs, or other warships in support I hope she's got at least a Wolfhound (deeper mags than a Roland but maybe half the missile range. And LERMs probably don't carry as heavy a warhead as the Mk16)

Can't wait to read the whole thing - though speculating wildly at snippets is fun too.
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Re: Uncompromising way out of order snippet for Rose
Post by runsforcelery   » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:44 am

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phillies wrote:I seem to recall that by the time the Montana was armored to stand up to its own guns, the result was a bit disappointing. Your mileage may vary.



Engage Hobby Horse Mode:

Nope, the final design for the Montana was pretty damned good. The problem was BuOrd's super-heavy shell. Its penetration was very much on a par with other people's 18" shells and, as further developed for the Montana would have been even more destructive. That being the case, BuShips opted for a lighter main battery than she could have had (i.e., stuck with the 16" instead of upgunning) and still needed a 16" belt (as opposed to the Iowa's 12") , but she was still good for 28-30 knots, she had an immune zone against her own guns (with super heavy shells) on the order of 13,000 yards (it was 18,000 yards against anyone else's 16"), she had an anti-torpedo system that worked (unlike the South Dakota, Iowa, and Missouri classes, where the anti-torpedo features had been compromised because of fear of underwater shell hits at extreme range), and was a far better seaboat than the Iowas. With her designed radar suite (and let's not discuss the nuclear 16" shell developed in the 1950s for the Iowa's main battery, shall we?), she could have kicked the posterior of any other ship in the world once she got into gun range. Of course, that was the rub: gun range as opposed to airstrike range.

The real reason they weren't built wasn't that they weren't superb ships; it was that in 1942 (when they were indefinitely delayed) the USN needed carriers worse and carriers could be built much more quickly) and in 1946 (when the Navy wanted to reinstate frozen programs) no one else in the world had battleships except for our friends and close allies the Brits (the 4 surviving KGVs and Vanguard . . . for about three years) and the French (2 Richelieus). Had anyone else had comparable ships, or had there been any prospect of anyone else's acquiring true heavy surface combatants, they would still have been required if only to protect the flight decks.

Of course, nobody but our friends had carriers, either, which is the reason the USN had basically been slated for the junk heap in favor of the Air Force until Korea came along and those pesky North Koreans overran all the friendly airfields on the peninsula, at which point the navy sort of cleared its throat and said, "Ahem. We still have some carriers, you know, despite Louis Johnson, and if no one would mind too terribly, we'd sort of like to explore the possibility of maybe using them to keep our guys inside the Pusan Perimeter from being overrun and massacred. No offense, of course." (That last was just twisting the knife, I fear. :lol: )


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